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TL/editing by me.

The repeated use of the name "Chris-chan" really throws me off when fapping.

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It's a h-doujin, what the hell are you people getting so buttblasted about? If you don't like it, you are free to avoid it.

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'I don't like people portraying fictional characters that I like in a way that I don't like.'

There are several things that I find weird about this:
1. You act as though fictional characters have any kind of set personality or that your idea of their personality is the final word on it. The original creator could decide to add another episode to the series that adds a new aspect to their personality. Does it matter whether or not you agree with it?
2. You seem to suggest that the version of this character that you carry around in your head has somehow been violated by seeing them portrayed in a different way. Your conceptual copy of this character has not been overwritten just because you saw this alternate portrayal (or it least it shouldn't be unless you're exceedingly easy to influence). Nothing has been taken from you. All that's changed is that you've learned that there are other people in the world who don't see the character in the same way that you do.
3. You speak about these characters as though they are real people, as though it is possible to upset them or disrespect them, or that it is a bad thing to mistreat them. I could understand if you were saying something like 'I feel that portraying the characters in this way is disrespectful to their *creator*', but these characters are just that: characters. They're completely fictional. They have no feelings and never will. Any feelings that you choose to project onto them come from your own imagination.
4. Your need to defend these characters also confuses me. As we've established, they are nothing more than fictional characters; ideas, concepts, nebulous collections of attributes and memories knitted together into something resembling a human being - but no more human than the paper on which they're printed for all that. And yet you feel the need to protect them and their reputation, as though they are worth cherishing like a real person. Why? What do you gain from putting your time and effort into fighting a war over the representation of a vague approximation of a human being?

Throwing a fit just because somebody else in the world sees a fictional thing in a different way from you seems highly nonsensical to me: it would be like getting upset over someone interpreting Hamlet's hesitation as cowardice after you'd just aired the opinion that he did so to make sure his uncle went to Hell.

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Holy shit, I came in here thinking, "Oh hey, a translation of that awesome Symphogay book I have, sweet."

WHAT IS THIS NONSENSE IN THE COMMENTS. All these comments with typos making arguments about insulting 2D womenz...in a gallery for an H-Doujin...that has been up since March of last year. Funny, where were all the 2D-white-knights when it was originally put up? Nowhere to be found. So who are all these people suddenly swarming the comments on the English translation?

@BruticusMaximus: I checked the raw, and it's 'Chris-chan' in the raw as well. It's not a translation error.

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I can't understand what is this all about
sure the characters didn't act like they should, but 80%+ doujins is like that
there's no line between respect and insult with doujin, it's all the same, it's what the artist wants, whether people will like it or not (and you can't please eveybody, mind you)
well of course you're free to hate it too, I just find it funny that people can argue about things like that, esp on the porn den like e-h/exh

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Ah man, you're a funny guy. I read through your forum post where your primary argument was based on semantics. It did indeed give me a chuckle.

I highly doubt that you all had comments on the original raws considering that the counter-argument posts which had no reason to be downvoted just plain don't exist on those galleries. Keep on truckin', whoever you are!

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It's not even like this is a malicious doujin with them getting it full force in every hole and then mutilated. It's a fluffy yuri story. Why are you people so fucking mad?
I'm not getting it here. It's just an h-doujin. It's just some guy's fantasy. It's not official material. Why are you so mad? Why do you care so much? You don't like it? It's not your thing? Just walk away.
Stop wasting everyone's time with this nonsense about it not being true to the characters, disrespecting fictional characters, downvotes, whatever you are on about.

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You seem to misunderstand, sir. I am referring to the original raws for this doujin. There are two on E-H, one cleaned and one not. On neither will you find any discussion such as this. If the characterization is so offensive to you and the several other individuals without a firm grasp of 'i before e except after c oh but then there's weird', why don't the raws have this same white-knighting present? It seemed at first that you suggested they did and that the comments were merely downvoted into oblivion, but such an action would leave the counter-argument posts in their place. No such discussion was had. This smacks of a personal attack rather than a true disagreement with the content involved.

As for your little 'discussion', what part of 'parody' is difficult to grasp? Perhaps you think we should not reinterpret Shakespeare for modern audiences? Far be it from us mere mortals to have the gall to modify something as eloquently composed and classic as Shakespeare. And Symphogear, hoo boy. That's on another level entirely!

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I think whoever is downvoting you are not just shitposters from anywhere, but just anyone and everyone who actually thinks you are wrong, because the simple fact is you are. You keep talking about canon when everyone is telling you the doujins posted here are non-canon therefore have no relevance. I have also noticed that the people like you just seem to go after yuri doujins but that's from what I have seen and not comments from any other doujin type. There are far worse and severe types of doujin out there but you are commenting about a pretty vanilla yuri doujin.

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@Googled Retard

Wow buddy. So doujinshi should not even exist if it offends anyone and "degrades characters?" You cannot walk away because deep down you will know it is out there, defiling fictional characters forever. It doesn't matter that it's non-canon, it's parody, it's just some guy's fantasy. Intolerable. This is some next level shit, real Minority Report shit. We need to get psychics and suspend them in a pool with computers hooked up to them so they can read the minds of Japanese perverts before their pen ever hits the paper and get these guys so our fictional characters remain pure. Nothing is safe. Even consensual lesbian threesomes are rape. Then we can go after single image fanarts. Future looks bright.

Get a grip.

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This is making me feel like if an anime was very sexual like say Highschool DxD or similar, and there were h-doujin's of said shows that made the wrong pairings or as you keep trying to say "statement about them is wildly insulting because it's implying their sexual desegregates with cheap feelings" because in the canon they don't take it as far as sex despite how sexual it is, you would still be spouting the same crap.

Also while you think liking this is an insult to the characters, there's also the opposite that it is as weird as it sounds, honors the characters or pays tribute to them. These artists make doujins like these cause they like these characters. I unfortunately cannot speak for the ones that do the more horrifying doujins but it is to each their own.

Another feeling I get here is social justice warrior focusing on anime/hentai. I think you took a wrong turn somewhere.

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@ Googled Retard

They are fictional characters. They are not real. They do not care about being honored. This is also non-canon doujin so it does not even affect the characters in their own fictional setting.
I just wanted to rub one out to Symphogay and instead there is a war going on in the comments because you think the translator is an attention whore and the fictional characters are being defiled because some guy drew them having tasteful consensual sex with each other. I am done here.

If you do not like it, don't read it. No one is forcing you to read material you don't like.
If you don't like the guy who translated it, don't read it. If the translation is inaccurate, say so. If not, keep your personal drama out of it and let the work stand.
Shittiest thing to have moral crusades over, I tell you what.

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Everyone, this is a circular argument with no endgame. Semantics does not a coherent argument make. Don't waste your ability to comment with your voting power by attempting to sway the opinion of a brick wall with text as I and others have. Don't make our mistake. Live long and fap hard, E-H.

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I think you have some misunderstanding here. This artist has only done this one doujin of Symphogear. It is a YURI doujin. There are no such other artworks done by this artist that depicts what you have commented on "getting fucked by faceless men." There is also another Plum but it is a group not an artist, and they have not even done anything with Symphogear. Unless there is some untranslated work from this artist that has not been posted here or anywhere else, which you most likely do not know as you bitch about translated works not untranslated, your statement about this artist is false.

Please provide a link next time to claim this artist has done as you have said, otherwise I have just defended the artist who is REAL over characters who are FICTIONAL.

@Nomake: I have to agree with you and this might be my last comment. I just wanted to clairfy the false information about this artist without the proof to back it up.

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FYI, you are still wrong. Did you not think I would have said anything I have said without prior knowledge? Guess that is how much you know about people. From what I had looked up there was only one depiction, a four page of Chris having sex with that Uncle character and not "faceless men." Perhaps you are mistaking the Gundam 00 works?

I will throw this back at you: There is a world outside anime/manga/hentai, you should visit it sometime. Maybe give a shit about the real life porn parodies of fictional characters where little to no one will give a damn about. Also "You know you have no argument, so you've deluded yourself into thinking you're right and will dismiss anything that you haven't already." can be said for you as well but hundredfold.

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Yuri doujins are serious business.

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Lots of opinions over porn. If you want something with emotion then look at something non h. That, and accept that people like things you don't.

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I didn't really read any of it, because none of it matters anyway. Who cares.

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I'm amazed you were able to post that without realizing the sheer irony of it.

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"Whether I look at / read this doujin or not it is STILL an insult to the characters involved. Because the implications about them are made all the same."

No, it's not an insult to the characters. It's an insult to YOU. The characters can't become insulted. It's only your image of the characters that can be, ergo it's your own problem to begin with.

Do you ever tire on your crusade of futility? Because you can't really change the way the works are written unless you intend to force the authors at gunpoint.

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What the fuck is this autism

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I was using your exact words, how about you get around rearranging your own thoughts before you ask others to. Why are you even wasting time on protecting the imaginary feelings and images of character fanfiction? This is non-canon shit to begin with.

You're not even a paid translator or author either, so your effect on any business is null and void. You're only trying to protect your own jaded image of a work and then trying to project it onto anyone else that you deem are commiting sacrilege.

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Since I've already given up my right to upvote/downvote by posting, I guess I'm not wasting anything here by replying other than time.

"It's funny because you're the one who started the semantic argument by claiming the word insult couldn't applied the way I and others where using it."
Please do point out where I have done this. I believe you have me confused for some other poster. I know it's difficult because of what a cluster this comments section is, so I'll forgive your oversight.

I will however use this opportunity to once again remind new posters to avoid commenting and instead upvote/downvote comments you like/don't like. If you fall into the trap of commenting on this circular, semantic argument as we have you lose your greatest power. Don't be like us. Live long and fap hard.

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>defending the honor and the feelings of a fictional character and trying not to offend them

It's a fucking fictional character, it doesn't exist in any form in reality, it can't feel anything, let alone think anything. Why does this even fucking matter? This is the fucking perfect example of being incapable of differentiating between reality and fiction.

If this annoys you so much, why are you on a site made to post H-manga, considering a good majority of it does exactly what you don't like?

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Ah, I see where the confusion was. I was making an observation, sir. Nothing more, nothing less. However, the voting system is, in fact, a way of voting for like/dislike as far as gallery commentary goes. I simply think that this horse has been beaten quite enough and that the rest should be left to those with power rather than those throwing their power away to piss into a sea of piss.

"You can't claim you're right if you are belligerently ignorant. You are not God. Your word is not law. You have to prove you're right over other people. That's how it works. You can't just say you're right, and that's it." -velocity_2

YES! Absolutely! Oh my goodness, FINALLY someone who speaks the language of logos! It's simply a shame that the unwritten next sentence goes a little something like, "Except for myself and my compatriots as our belief is the One True Word and thus the fact that we spoke first means there is no burden of proof upon our opinions. Bow down before us, filthy unloving hentai heathens!"

...though I might be embellishing a little. ;)

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I did read it dumbass, and the only thing I managed to get out of it, was that you can't differentiate between fiction and reality. You care about the feelings of fictional characters too much.

You are getting upset, that, people with different fetishes, are drawing characters they like in situations that get them off. You can defend it all you want, but at the end of the day, they don't exist, so them being degraded in any form doesn't matter.

If we are going to talk about degrading as well, drawing porn of them is more degrading, them making them slightly off-character.

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Laughing at this comment section killed my boner.

Which pisses me off because I've been waiting ages to fap to my waifu in English.

fuck you googled retard

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Oh, so you all met crack-kun. He's slightly weird, as you can see. He's been posting his vitriolic and stupid comments everywhere he could. Ignore and don't argue.

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Oh Jesus Christ that fucking retard is here too? When are you going to kill yourself, Googled Retard?

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>joined: today
Hi there rollol. Nice samefagging you have there, complete with random inexplicable grammatical errors!

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Is this "hurrr, this isn't how the characters would act" & Co. bollocks some form of new trolling? Sure comes across like that.

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*grabs popcorn*

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I just finished this work, looked down to the comment section and then... Woah!
So much rage and butthurt.

Completely pointless for me.

It's not cannon anyway.
I can watch this anime, draw hentai manga with this, and it will change absolutely nothing!

It's like the Snow White porn. I like this fairytale, but the porn itself gave me a good laugh.

Come on, dudes, it's yuri threesome. I read most of the "girls only", and this is only the second threesomeT_T.

On the other hand toggling with cannon would make me butthurt a lot!
It's like In the end of Harry Potter Ron would officially do Harry in his pooper...

Bad example, that would be hilarious.

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bruh lmao wtf happened here

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Classic Crack-kun warzone.

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