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the first few pages of both versions of this doujin are essentially identical, since it's like a multiverse sort of thing where Mari's path diverges. with that in mind, feel free to compare those initial pages in this bottom-shelf dj.com TL with what we did in ours: /g/2435730/08b00139d0/

god bless scumbini for doing his part to eat into their profit margins. praying they eventually starve to death 🙏

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Thanks, I hate it.
That author really manages to make hateful female characters.

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I love these rare What if NTR where you can see what would have happened had the original story taken a different path.

I wish more authors would try this type of gimmick more.

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I love NTR, bros.

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https://twitter.com/gachonjirou/status/1467469234427293699
I only draw ntr, so pretty much only fans of that thing follow me. I'm going to ask them if they want an alternate route gee, I wonder what the result is going to be like.
@EHCASUAL
Nobody would buy vanilla if they knew if it came with a ntr sequel or spin-off, that's why they only do this kinda bait-and-switch once and they do vanilla first. もう二度とこのサークルの作品は買いません。

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They just call it what if to make vanilla fans cope, authors like this actually can't hold back their cuck fetish.

@Wilfriback

The most recent example of that is what the author of the manga Hajirau Kimi ga Mitainda did with her own commercial series, she did a what if ntr route about one of the MH and well, the reviews weren't the best, she did acknowledge it, but the sales were good tho.

Last edited on 06 February 2023, 04:05.

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They don't typically do what if NTR versions because it shows how fake and easily broken the love is in the vanilla version, which entirely taints it by showing how weak it really is. Like that Rider doujinshi series that was popular ages ago until it created a What if NTR route which kinda sunk the popularity. You can't really spend four or five books showing how sweet and vanilla something is, and then just instantly show how instantly they would cheat on the other, and then go back to the vanilla afterwards, you already showed it was hollow. Its hard to pull off at least. I mean I get the appeal of what if stories like that but that's typically why it doesn't work I mean. You can't taint NTR with vanilla because its like adding water to mud, its still mud either way, but a drop of NTR will always taint vanilla, a drop of food coloring will entirely color a glass of water no matter how pure it was before.

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@EHCASUAL
Depending on how it's handled it might be successful or a total disaster like it happened with:
- Haitoku sensei's vanilla incest series /g/2097012/30df7fd93d/ getting a massive backslash for adding a netorare plot on one of its chapters, the interesting part was that the author here hid the netorare plot on his reviews and samples and denied it having NTR until days before it's release so he shave known what was coming to him yet acted surprised his own followers roasted the shit out of him.

Another example of backslash was Botamochi's /g/2227109/a2e4446bc1/ which was an big dick student x mature teacher vanilla but author threw this sequel and made it netorare but because he already made the MC a Chad author basically deleted him from the story and make the teacher be dumb to make the netorare work. It's expected the reviews bombed and the author went full damage control that ended with him apologizing for being retarded and promising to not do it again and whatnot like making 60% discount for it's sales lmao.

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If people don't like this version there is the vanilla version. The fact he made 2 different endings for both parties makes this a 10/10 as both sides win.

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oh was this translated by someone else or that saikey fellow

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@Sylphon

I don't really agree with that, NTR is a deconstructive, critical force that can pull apart poorly constructed vanilla romances of weak characters, but NTR itself is full of the same issues, and can often expose its own poor construction in the process. After all, the number one complaint with most NTR is that characters are just really stupid and don't act rationally or even interestingly, that outcomes are forgone conclusions. What fun is it stealing a woman with one braincell who seems to abandon her old lover with one whiff of the big dick?

If anything, vanilla and NTR feed upon one another. That's why you so often see love triangles or temptation subplots in romance manga, because creating that angle of tension, of betrayal, makes the romance more interesting. The more beautiful and enduring a vanilla love is, the more satisfying it is to watch NTR destroy it. And the more obstacles and threats a relationship survives, the more tender and aww-inducing it is.

A great example was this little RPGmaker H-game I played lately. In it, you play a guy who falls in love with and plans to confess to a Tomoko type Otaku girl. But then some sexy gyaru decide to bully you by trying to seduce you and fuck up your relationship. The Otaku girl is genuinely cute, likable, empathetic, and there's a romance there that players enjoy. That's what makes betraying her more heart wrenching, what gives the cheating and NTR scenes their spice. Whether it's Netori or Netorare, the betrayal and destruction of the original love can only be meaningful, and therefore sadistic/masochistic, if it was meaningful to begin with.

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Big yikes, huge yikes. This is nasty

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@ubiquitial
whether or not you agree is irrelevant, what Sylphon said is -objectively- the reason people go for vanilla. a vanilla work lives and dies by how unbreakable the couple's bond is, and showing that the bond isn't actually unbreakable as soon as the situation changes is a death sentence for the work as a whole. people aren't going to feel any attachment to the characters when either of them demonstrate they're complete garbage

also, vanilla and ntr feed upon one another? is this some sort of joke or just actual cuckbrain logic at work? vanilla has nothing to gain from this sort of crap, the only way vanilla benefits from an opportunity to cheat IS by using it to demonstrate that the character would never even think of cheating. speaking of tension or betrayal is ridiculous: if there is ever an intention or desire to act like that in a vanilla work, the whole character building is immediately ruined

so no, it's quite literally a one-sided parasitic interaction where ntr feeds off of the established characterizations and relationships in vanilla works, as you'll no doubt witness once more when all the seasonal romcoms start getting doujins

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It doesn’t really matter if it’s a “what if” if the ending is the same in both versions. I really don’t like the implication that she probably will still get him to marry her like she did in the other version because she gets pregnant, plus this isn’t even Ntr since the dude doesn’t find out and she doesn’t get stolen either it’s just cheating. Also wasn’t she supposed to be good with her mouth to avoid getting fucked by horny dudes? Guess the author forgot

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25: She taste => She tastes
30: It's not sex the moment you stick it inside already!? => It's not already sex the moment you stick it inside!?
42: same same => same

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Way too many folks here voluntarily clicked on an NTR doujin of a fictional couple just to complain about it.

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@Laser Cyth
While I don't like NTR either, completely dismissing idea of romantic tension and potential betrayal is not right. There's a place for that in works and its all about how well written the characters are for such a concept to work. It doesn't have to result in NTR and more often than not doesn't.

I didn't read or watch Twilight but one of the strongest reasons for me to consider doing so is an analysis someone did of Edward and Bella's relationship (main male and female lead):
Edward is passionately in love with her, but is steadfastly committed to protecting her from the dangers around her, including the danger that he himself poses. Edward being a vampire is constantly tempted to suck human blood, particularly of the girl he's fallen for but proves his love by not succumbing to his desires.
This is the tension and potential betrayal being taken to the supernatural element.

Now that said, I do sympathize because I'm not a fan of the ntr spinoffs that romcom doujins tend to get. It's why I avoid works with characters established in other mediums. More often than not, the doujin author screws up my perception of how a character would behave or act just to get the NTR plot to land. Hell, it doesn't have to be NTR, sometimes, I just can't get over how different the author portrays a character compared to the work they originated from.

Finally, more on the contents of this doujin: Because I hadn't read the vanilla version, I can enjoy this version how I tend to enjoy NTR works, by focusing only on the artwork. If I had read the original vanilla doujin, once I saw this what if version, I would have left the gallery outright. I'm not here to see characters I know behave erratically just to satisfy an NTR plot.

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Last two pages were adorable, I really like NTR where they don't end up completely submissive and a slave to some random dude. Just a horny girl that loves her husband/boyfriend that goes onto an escapade.

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I didn't need that ending man poor guy she got pregnant with some rando that's the evil part man

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I'm not bother by NTR, I have many NTR in my favorites. But I understand why vanilla fans are upset about this. It leaves...a sour taste, seeing a vanilla character become this.

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Why are people so bothered by this story having an ntr option? She's already sucked the dicks of rando playboys before they even got together. That's not something a sane person does in the name of self defense.

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lmaooooo not that g

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I guess my beef with this shit as a dyed in the wool vanillafag is that it just completely kills my boner
Even if the art is great, (which it is most of the time I bother to check), the content is usually depressing enough on some level that it just takes me out of it completely, especially if its something with a vanilla-ish start/alt route

Plus seeing how cucks/pseudo-chads act about this shit is somehow even more lame than a nigga self-inserting with a normal ass relationship imo, the justifications is like reading a futafag explain with quantum physics how sucking girlcock is the straightest thing he could do.

I'll give this dude props though, did a lot of extra work to satisfy his usual crowd, too bad they taste is shit

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Anti-cucks are some of the whiniest bitches on the internet. Just don't fucking read it morons.

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@ubiquitial
Late, but Game name?, That description sounds right up my alley, I'd love to check it out, did some searches to try and find it myself with the kinda description you provided, but kinda turned up try.

On the subject of the Vanilla/NTR stuff, ehhh, Me personally, in this case of it being like a What if, I can program my mind to see it as nothing but pure fap bait you're not meant to take all that seriously, I enjoyed the wholesomeness of the Vanilla version too, but I won't lie I enjoying seeing a good threesome/Gangbang, so I can't deny the idea of her getting stuffed while he was away DID enter my mind, but eh silver lining, she's still with him in this What if anyway, she just let her hormones/lust get the better of her.

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Honestly they are both horrible people. He is neglectful and seems to only view her as a friend and fuck buddy. Meanwhile she is a natural slut that gives into lust far too easily while being weak to pressure.

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it would have been hotter if it showed her being impregnated while they where playing smash

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